User:Fire InThe Hole/Subpages/Thoughtbox/Characters Things

(Back to the Thoughtbox)

Another subsection of the Thoughtbox. This is mostly about characters. It can and will overlap with timelines, specific stories, and things that would fall under my 'concepts' flag, much more than anything except for that concepts category itself, which really is an umbrella for anything I couldn't fit in something else. It's also unfinished.

There's also some other bits and pieces here and there, many of them just my own plans to be completed eventually.
 * Reminder to self to inspect Lyka more closely, complete the backstory already (cod dammit), then convincingly match writing to character page and vice versa.
 * Reread existing stories to hopefully be less cagey about portraying characters I did not create, because that's still one of those stupid roadblocks I run into.
 * Finally be reminded how exactly the can of beans is about Mercuron and Kwik, and even Beta Kwik.
 * The Liljequist are in fact a Negative clan under whom Beta timeline Kwik grew up. Not to be confused with any other sort of 'beta'; hence why the split Kwiks are referred to with superscript numbers instead, I guess.

Oh god, I'm making a mess of this. Let's try some sorting here.

Trolls
Not the trollers, not the failtrolls. You know which ones, the ones initially based off of Homestuck. I'm aware that we're moving away of directly basing stuff of other other material, which is why all the horses were sent off to whereneverland. I won't be digging up the exact discussions and ideas right now; just what little I remember off the top of my head.
 * Relationship to rocks; hence the gray skin.
 * "Troll-fairy hybrid species" (off of Armega's description text), apparently.
 * Apparently the horns are now coloured gray as well? Remind me, if you can.

As for what I personally think: doesn't matter much what I think, except that I'm not wanting to pile the work on HGD alone with this just because a bunch of us decided to reduce the direct crossover percentage. I'll look for the discussions about troll redesigning later.

Checking which ones have an image based off of a redesign:
 * SGRUB Beta²
 * Ellona - Yep.
 * Armega - Yep.
 * Uskuro - Nope.
 * Hassii - Nope, though there's the alternate head depiction by LAT.
 * Poxten - Yep. Cyborg rendition may need an update though.
 * Tarzuk - Nope.
 * Murtaw - Nope.
 * Liwiya - Yep. Sort of? It's definitely an updated version of the image.
 * SGRUB Gamma
 * Afeita - Nope. What's with the eyes, anyway?
 * Isevel - No, but there's a BizarroBro-themed picture at least.
 * Cordoz - Nope.
 * Demeta - Nope. Pipe and hat reminiscent of a detective though.
 * Magnus - Nope. Nice hat, though.
 * Duiker - Nope.
 * Hankvi/The Dictator - Nope. Nor does the page exist, but that aside.
 * Naijad - Nope.

Asterion & co.
This bit is fairly fresh (July 3rd) and right off of some things Sosh/Indigo has posed about the state of this 'Ethereal Council'. It's a pretty radical change, but one which I think would definitely be cool.
 * Asterion and associates are actually inorganic beings, some highly advanced kind of golems who oversee Universe City (idea somewhat fused with the "blockheads" from DE:U that were operating in New Hub).
 * Asterion's eventual separation from the council comes about due to corrupt forces within the city, actors in cahoots with Kuipter's dark business network. Asterion proposes radical policies in order to prune the weeds, but ultimately the rest of the council rejects his ideas. Some of them find the policies too extreme while others actually are the bad actors themselves. In some way shape or form, Asterion then separates from the council, which is quite like the old Ethereal Council thing.
 * As for the appearance of these advanced beings, he's created a reference image (I don't know if you want to upload it yourself so I haven't for now). Their aesthetic is kind of a "modern-geometric-vaporwavey" thing. Outfits are undecided, but the main council's designs are based around platonic solids, plus a sphere and a merkaba, since those frequently appear in 'sacred' geometry too. Here's the rough descriptions as written by ZoshiX.
 * Mesarthim (red icosahedron) - Closest thing to a mayor, most involved in actual legislation, also a historian.
 * Grafias (yellow octahedron) - Humanities and general welfare, a bit naive but very friendly, sometimes a bit invasive but well-intentioned.
 * Benetnatsch (blue merkaba)- Chief of law enforcement/defense, generally jovial but can be quick to aggress if perceiving a threat, has a habit of casually talking down and interrupting
 * Okul (indigo sphere) - Head of transportation,, keeps the trains running on time, but prone to having head in the clouds and daydreaming. Very quiet, dislikes violence. Sometimes rides around at night alone when not working and explores.
 * Asterion (cyan tetrahedron) - The judicial to Mesarthim's legislative. Stoic, blunt, and has an unbending will. You know them well they're finally back to kick some tail.
 * Fomalhaut (white cube) - In charge of energy and general infrastructure. Very intelligent, skeptical, and precision oriented. Also kind of abrasive.
 * Kraz (orange dodecahedron) - Leads economics and finances. Fast talker, sharp wit and sense of humor. Kind of a dick but often in a funny way.

Loose images and such

 * Gallybag
 * Achtland - I know there's something about pirates here.
 * Josewong the story character.

Alpha/Saga
Either stuff from the one to the other, or something just on either of those.

Some renames are planned left and right.
 * Masa is to be renamed Maxine(?) (See here). I thought this was reserved for one or two timelines in particular, but since Masa is just 'a Sam' reversed, I guess I can see why.
 * Sanford Quint becomes Sanford Quid after he is kicked out of the Quint family. If I read the chat messages correctly, Sanford's mercenary activities got him ousted.
 * Taku to become Ramus 'Taku' de Gridmasque. Heheh, branches, sticks. Looks good.
 * Thristel-Immo -> Thunderclap Altari. No complaints from me.
 * Kuipter -> Possibly The Tinker? If I'm ever burning my own hands on a TKF reinterpretation, that's what I'm shamelessly imitating from the Beta plans as far as I know them.

There's still the Anicetus vs Stickbeard (or Stickbeard vs Anicetus) thing which I can only find bits of over here. I've reread it and I am still looking back with a bit of displeasure, especially at my own lack of response to it. Here's my (hot) take on it.
 * LAT created the idea for Anicetus apparently as part of SFANB.
 * DMS came up with Stickbeard. DMS is not currently invested in the site's story content (though apparently still does keep an eye out if DB block logs are to be followed-) so I see very little problem leaving Stickbeard in Alpha and move forwards at least giving LAT Anicetus as a design/concept to work with; where that leaves Stickbeard is up to everyone else who has had more involvement with that mess than I ever did.
 * The comments page did have something about 'chosen ancestor' for Anicetus compared to Stickbeard, if there's still any interest in any of that.

Beta

 * The Shane redesign. Beta is mostly up for Ludi to develop though, so I'm listing it more than I'm wording thoughts about it for now.
 * Beta timeline Kwik is very interesting, I am curious.
 * Leaves me to possibly go out and write some Beta-specific notes about Delinius, as far as I haven't already.

Stigma
I'm very excited for this, as mentioned somewhere before.
 * From what I understood about it, not all characters have to be renamed or be wildly different in their design, though some of them are.
 * While I had a neat idea for some kind of 'holy warrior' version of Delinius, it's not something particularly worth pursuing for now. There's a lot more that could happen here, and maybe this time Delinius himself becomes no more than a devout Dwinian who leads a small community, or something like that.