User blog comment:Fire InThe Hole/WHAT UPDATE/@comment-16075172-20151022190206

Just a note over things, because you said you wanted to talk about stuff on this blog over other pages

Tbh like

There's this whole thing saying that if DMS and I stopped arguing then that would be us being mature and better about things, but, like

That's not really maturity? If we were to develop towards that from where we are know, it would just be dismissal of one another, which isn't really a mature thing for us to do, and not good for a healthy relationship between us, it just seems like it would be settling into buildups of anger towards one another until something really bad happens

If we could actually maturely debate things, like, present ideas and opinions and facts to one another without getting all pissy or defensive or going at each others' necks, to a point at which it isn't an eyesore for everyone who's part of the community and anyone else who sees it, then that would be a better relationship for us to go around on the community

Part of this is definitely in the way we present our arguments, in which we both kind of sound angry and biased, and that's not really a good thing for either one of us, especially in mind of how one of us, or others, will interpret what we are saying

While it is true that Demmes usually gets more angry than I do, at least as it seems, in any debate we have, it's still true that I sink in to a bad level myself; this should be something we both work on

And there is the point about how we present our arguments and interpret the arguments of the others, which tends to seem like general aggressiveness leading to more aggressiveness. There's especially things where we dip into specific things that we know set the other person off, or use things as excuses or justifications for actions we have complete control over, or speaking for somebody else in a sense that horrendously misrepresents their opinion, or pretending that someone else's opinion on a matter between us is ground for "being right" in a debate, or general non-logical tactics for argument, or other emotional statements that just serve to make the other person, and the rest of the community, pissed off

The stuff I mentioned in the above paragraph are things that we both have problems with and really need to fix (note well: things we both have problems with and really need to fix ) in terms of any form of debate, if we are to improve our relationship on the wiki, for the sake of the community